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Refinance Started With First Internet Bank

It looks like the refinance train is here again. Due to the weak economy statistics, mortgage interest rates have dropped to rates not seen since October 2010.

Last week on 6/1/2011, I requested quotes from two brokers and two banks to refinance my 30-year fixed jumbo-conforming mortgage. The criteria for my refinance is that it has to be no-point and is either no-cost or has very low-fee.

Broker H

I have worked with broker H for previous refinances before. She quoted me a rate of 4.375% with a 0.375% fee.

Broker A

This broker was recommended to me from a co-worker. She told me the rate was 4.375% with no-point and no-fee at that particular instance, but the rate was valid only on that day and it was already too late to prepare the documents to lock in to that rate. She requires an upfront $25 for the credit report and another $50 to submit the loan (which will be reimbursed at closing).

Bank of America

I received a quote of 4.75% for a no-cost no-fee loan. My current loan is 4.625%, so this option is a no-no.

First Internet Bank of Indiana (FirstIB)

Based on many good reviews, including that from TheFinanceBuff, I have been watching the online rate quote from FirstIB. The online rate quote on this particular day was 4.375% with ~$1200 fee.

What I did

I decided to wait for a better rate from the brokers, and at the same time, to submit the application with FirstIB and wait for the right moment to strike.

FirstIB does not charge a fee to submit the online application, so it was a relatively easy decision, with the only “cost” being a hit on my credit report.

I submitted the online application with FirstIB’s Gary (who has received many good reviews). I received a call back from Gary about 3 hours later. He told me the rate had improved after my application was submitted, and the new rate was 4.375% with a $5000 credit. This credit can be used to pay for the closing costs (estimated to be $3000), with the remainder going into the impound account to pay for future property taxes and insurance.

Since this mortgage rate and fee scenario met all my criteria, I locked the rate with Gary on the spot. Gary told me that he expects the refinance to close in 25 days.

I am keeping my fingers crossed and will post the timeline once my refinance with FirstIB is completed.

TD Ameritrade New Account Bonus

I recently took advantage of a TD Ameritrade new account bonus. This promotion can be accessed through

and runs through 7/15/2011. The fine print is as follows

Offer valid for one new Individual, Joint or IRA TD Ameritrade account opened by 07/15/11 and funded within 30 days of account opening with $2,000 or more. To receive $100 bonus, account must be funded with $25,000-$99,999 within 30 days of initial minimum funding. To receive $250 bonus, account must be funded with $100,000-$249,999 within 30 days of initial minimum funding. To receive $500 bonus, account must be funded with $250,000 or more within 30 days of initial minimum funding. If you open a new TD Ameritrade retirement account, cash awards are valid within your IRA only and non-transferable to another existing TD Ameritrade account. Please consult a legal or tax advisor for the most recent change to the U.S. tax code and for rollover eligibility rules. Offer is not transferable and not valid with internal transfers, Amerivest-related accounts, TD Ameritrade Institutional accounts, current TD Ameritrade accounts or with other offers. Qualified commission-free Internet equity or option orders must execute within 60 days of meeting minimum funding requirements. Contract, exercise, and assignment fees still apply. Limit one offer per account type. Account must remain open with minimum required funding for 12 months or TD Ameritrade may charge the account for the cost of the cash awarded to the account. TD Ameritrade reserves the right to restrict or revoke this offer at any time. This is not an offer or solicitation in any jurisdiction where we are not authorized to do business. Please allow 3-5 business days for any cash deposits to post to account.

Taxes related to TD Ameritrade offers are your responsibility. Retail values totaling $600 or more during the calendar year will be included in your consolidated Form 1099.

Since I already have an existing account with TD Ameritrade, I wanted to check if I can qualify. This is the reply to my inquiry

Yes, you can use that promotion if you open another account.  Please let us know if you need further assistance.  We really appreciate your business.

I opened a new account online. The account application and the credit of bonus went through very smoothly and quickly. The following is the timeline:

  • 5/30/11 (Memorial Day) : Submitted application online.
  • 5/31/11 : Faxed in signature form and asset transfer request in the morning. Later that day, received an acknowledgment that the asset transfer request was received.
  • 6/3/11 : Assets were transferred into the account. The new account was credited with the new account bonus as well as 100 free trades.

From start to receiving the bonus, it took 4 business days. Now I just need to keep the assets there for the next 365 days. 🙂

Low Fees Foreign Exchange Using CurrencyFair (Part 2)

After setting up the account and getting the money to CurrencyFair (CF), I am ready to do some currency exchange.

Market and limit trades

If you have traded stocks before, you would easily understand how the currency exchange system works in CF. Similar to a brokerage account, you can place “limit” orders or “market” orders. When you place a market order, you are exchanging your currency at the current best rate. With a limit order, you can specify the rate you want to  get, and then wait for someone else on the opposite side of the trade to accept your offer. As with stock trades, limit orders will not be matched if there is no corresponding seller.

There is no fee to place an order on the CF system, and you can make as many changes you want as long as the order has not been matched.

Cost of exchange using CurrencyFair

The cost of exchanging money using CF comes in two parts. The first part is the commission. Here is how CF explains their commission in the FAQ:

What is CurrencyFair’s commission?

Well, this rather depends on which currencies are being exchanged but whatever you’re converting; the commission is incorporated into the rate. So it’s transparent. You can see how much it’s costing.

This means that CF places a markup to the foreign rates shown on the webpage.

The second fee comes from the transfer fees charged for transferring money out from CF. CF’s funds transfer fees are as follows:

The standard fee is for a transfer made using the equivalent of ACH in the U.S., and a priority transfer is made using wire.

Placing a trade

A trade to exchange USD3000 to SGD was placed at the rate of 1 USD = 1.27 SGD. The following USD to SGD exchange quote screen appears. The current best market exchange rate is 1 USD to 1.2591 SGD.

At the same time, the offer to sell USD 3000 appears in the SGD to USD quote screen. Notice that it is shown as an offer to buy 3810 SGD at the rate of 1 SGD = 0.7874 USD. If we examine this offer, we can find out the commission that CF is charging.

Taking the reciprocal of 0.7874, we get 1.27000254, which rounds to 1.2700. This is in fact the same as the exchange rate requested, suggesting that CF is in fact not charging any exchange fee. I don’t know if this is because of a temporary fee waiver or if it is a bug or if this is the CF’s intention all along. In any case, I am happy with this finding.

I compare this rate with the rate being offered by DBS bank at that time (shown below). DBS was selling USD at 1.275 SGD and buying USD at 1.259, a spread of 1.27%. The market rates available on CF are 1.2737/1.2591, a spread of 1.16%. So the rates on CF are even more competitive than DBS bank.

The exchange

I left the limit order of 1.27 for the day (3/7/2011) but it was not filled. In the night, I reduced it to 1.2626 and it got matched in the early hours of 3/8/2011. For comparison, here’s the spot exchange rate according to Yahoo finance:

After the currency exchange, I submitted a request to have the money transferred to a SGD bank account. CF charged a fee of SGD5. The money hit the bank in two business days.

My exchange results

Assuming a spot exchange rate of 1.267 when the exchange happened, I received an exchange rate that is within 0.35% of the spot rate. The transfer cost is SGD5.

If I had gone through the traditional route, it would have cost USD25 to send an international wire, a 0.63% fee for the spread, and another SGD10 for the recipient to receive the wire. So quite a bit of money was saved using CF.

Caveats and risks

The amount of currency available depends on the number of users, and is not unlimited like with a bank. But if you are exchanging at most several thousand of USD at a time, it should not be a problem.

There could be concerns of money being held by CF in case of fraud or company failure (read this link). Being overseas, it could be inconvenient or costly to get it resolved. This risk can be mitigated somewhat by exchanging as soon as CF receives the money and then transferring the money out immediately after the exchange.

Trading spreads depend on the relative demand of the currencies being exchanged. A better or poorer rate could result.

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